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 I've been reading Susan Brigden's biography of Sir Thomas Wyatt.  It's dense and interesting but one really interesting modern parallel struck me.  Diplomacy becomes all but impossible when one party self image of itself is something that the rest of the world simply doesn't acknowledge or recognize.  In this case it's Henry VIII's insistence that he is an orthodox Catholic despite the Break with Rome and the Dissolution of the Monasteries.  This puts his ambassadors to the Catholic powers (Wyatt was ambassador to the Emperor) in an impossible negotiating position.  This seems remarkably close to the current British government position on Brexit in that there seems to be a belief that the UK can be part of the Single Market while rejecting the bits it doesn't like.  Now Henry was a megalomaniac and probably had fallen on his head a few too many times jousting.  I'm not sure what May's excuse is.

Date: 2017-04-29 03:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cmcmck
There is a serious academic historian's view that Henry's last jousting fall in January 1536 did actually cause brain damage which would explain quite a lot although I have to admit that my own view is that one can see the tyranny developing long before he broke his head or broke with Rome.

He certainly saw himself as entirely orthodox as long as he could be Pope!

Date: 2017-04-29 07:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cmcmck
I'd say that was about right.
Edited Date: 2017-04-29 07:00 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-04-29 03:31 pm (UTC)
twistedchick: General Leia in The Force Awakens (Default)
From: [personal profile] twistedchick
Is this the 'cousin Tom Wyatt' who wrote poetry about Anne Boleyn? I did not know he was a diplomat, but it suits.

And I thought that the syphilis that Henry had contractsd started fairly early in his life -- before he married Anne -- and perhaps started to affect his mind then, also. But brain damage from jousting = brain damage, irreparable.

Date: 2017-04-30 03:48 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jsburbidge
Lovely poems, half-memorized. Notably "They flee from me", "Madam, withouten many words", and Farewell Love and all thy laws forever". Usually considered the first real "Renaissance" poet in English, despite Chaucer's having read Boccaccio.

Date: 2017-05-02 02:29 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mamculuna
It's not anybody in Britain who makes me think of Henry VIII, speaking of megalomania.

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