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 I've been watching a BBC Scotland documentary about archeological work on Orkney.  The basic hypothesis is that the "stone circle culture" that came to dominate the British Isles around 3000 BCE originated on Orkney among a group of settlers from continental Europe and then spread south.  It's an intriguing theory and the evidence looks pretty good.

Reading Penrose's latest "Faith, Fashion and Fantasy in the New Physics of the Universe".  Typical Penrose.  Unlike some other popular physicists he refuses to skip over the mathematical basis of his argument.  I had hoped to never again encounter a gauge tensor but there you go.

Just got back from a convo with a chap working on a PhD on how audiences perceive shows.  It made me realise just how analytical and model based my own process as an audience member is.  It's curious how little research there is on the cognitive processes of audiences.

For the first time in a long time I've been trying to fit some new and different ideas into my politics.  I'm thinking about two related ideas (or at least I think they are related).  One, which I wrote about here a couple of days ago is the idea of "sovereignty" and how the 19th century view of it as indivisible and mapped isomorphically to "nations" is probably very unhelpful, especially when thinking about multi-polity initiatives like the EU.  The other is land ownership and the idea again that "ownership" is a single thing vested in an "owner".  First Nations had/have a very different idea of the relationship between people and land and maybe we need to think some about that.  European settlement in the Americas can't be undone but perhaps new ways of thinking about the land and the people on it can help with the process of Truth and Reconciliation (and, yes, the unthinkable, Restitution).

Date: 2017-05-04 11:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ranunculus
I've been avidly watching the progress of each year's dig at the Ness of Brogar at the Orkney Jar blogsite.

My parents brought me up as a "steward" of the land, not an owner. So far as I can that is what I've done my entire adult life.

Date: 2017-05-05 03:18 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jsburbidge
In fact, first year law property class spends about half of its time demolishing the "owner" mental model as applied to land ownership for the Common Law. Legally, there are bundles of divisible rights of different types.

ETA:
My understanding of the archaeological background of the Neolithic in Britain is that too many sites are drowned (Doggerland) or ploughed over to determine details of the spread of culture.

(My phone overwrites the post button if I go on for too long (bug in Dreamwidth): I have to make a short comment, and then edit).
Edited Date: 2017-05-05 03:20 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-05-05 06:48 am (UTC)
sollers: me in morris kit (Default)
From: [personal profile] sollers
Re land: absolutely. We had it hammered into us that in England it's land tenure, because only the monarch owns the land (the situation in Wales was pulled into line with England by people like the evil bastard who built Llandudno, and I don't have the slightest idea what the Scottish situation is).

Re Neolithic: it was the Mesolithic sites that were drowned. An interesting thought is how cattle and pigs were brought by boat - getting even a small Neolithic cow onto a Neolithic boat must have been interesting.

There's a tendency to be Mediterranean-centred and think of the North as being "remorse". In Viking times Orkney was at the centre, not the rim, and in the Bronze Age there was a lot going on in the North, so I have no problem at all with the idea of culture spreading South from Orkney.

Date: 2017-05-05 05:38 pm (UTC)
sollers: me in morris kit (Default)
From: [personal profile] sollers
From what I can make out from the nasty story of how Llandudno was built, the locals didn't get the idea of land ownership as such.

Date: 2017-05-05 12:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cmcmck
We've been watching the work as Ness of Brodgar live over the years as we spend time in Orkney every year. Off up again at the end of May.

History is being turned on its head up there!

We handfasted at the Ring of Brodgar and my wedding ring is based on it. :o)

Date: 2017-05-05 03:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mamculuna
"The other is land ownership and the idea again that "ownership" is a single thing vested in an "owner". First Nations had/have a very different idea of the relationship between people and land and maybe we need to think some about that. "

And that goes even beyond land--that we all benefit from society and thus have a responsibility to each other in many ways. Yes, I'm thinking about health care...

Date: 2017-05-05 04:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mamculuna
Sadly, sadly.

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