I think humans have value that transcends what any given society might consider qualifies them as a good cog in the machine, but that's not the scenario you're exploring so I'll stay off that track.
Even if,theoretically, you're convinced the machine is perfect and being an appropriately functioning part of it is the highest goal, it doesn't mean that zero-impact people are doing any good for society by taking themselves out of it. Just because an individual is valueless on that scale doesn't mean they have negative impact.
I think even the most hive-minded human can be a non-impact camper in good conscience. If they really have such confidence in their society and consider benefiting it in the valued ways of supreme importance , they would do better to put themselves in the hands of 'those who know best', the ones who are valued and apparently doing things right and see if they can't be made into something vaguely beneficial before 'wasting' themselves. I'm sure if a society that runs along these lines determines them to be of negative value, or just doesn't tolerate neutrals, it will dispose of them somehow anyway.
So what's the sense in making such an individual decision as suicide if the only issue is one's value in the eyes of society as a whole?
That being said, what society that values the complex individual decision making involved in deciding if suicide can be a genuinely beneficial act, would ever consider a person capable of examining such a question valueless?
So what are you really asking or trying to say when you drop an emotional bomb like this?
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Date: 2003-08-12 11:36 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-08-13 08:09 am (UTC)Even if,theoretically, you're convinced the machine is perfect and being an appropriately functioning part of it is the highest goal, it doesn't mean that zero-impact people are doing any good for society by taking themselves out of it. Just because an individual is valueless on that scale doesn't mean they have negative impact.
I think even the most hive-minded human can be a non-impact camper in good conscience. If they really have such confidence in their society and consider benefiting it in the valued ways of supreme importance , they would do better to put themselves in the hands of 'those who know best', the ones who are valued and apparently doing things right and see if they can't be made into something vaguely beneficial before 'wasting' themselves. I'm sure if a society that runs along these lines determines them to be of negative value, or just doesn't tolerate neutrals, it will dispose of them somehow anyway.
So what's the sense in making such an individual decision as suicide if the only issue is one's value in the eyes of society as a whole?
That being said, what society that values the complex individual decision making involved in deciding if suicide can be a genuinely beneficial act, would ever consider a person capable of examining such a question valueless?
So what are you really asking or trying to say when you drop an emotional bomb like this?