Date: 2006-08-30 03:15 pm (UTC)
adjectivegail: (Default)
From: [personal profile] adjectivegail
Please may I steal the icon?

Date: 2006-08-30 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chickenfeet2003.livejournal.com
I would like it to be as widely stolen as possible!

Date: 2006-08-30 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-d-medievalist.livejournal.com
*headdesk* *misses being married to someone with a European passport*

Date: 2006-08-30 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melted-snowball.livejournal.com
There's a slightly better country just north of yours. It's got its problems, too, but they're less extreme...

Date: 2006-08-30 04:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] adjectivegail
I keep thinking about moving there, actually - I checked out their immigration requirements a few years ago (I suppose I should re-check in case they changed a lot) and all I needed was some savings and a job lined up. I qualified on all the other bits. Only problem is that I can't take all my loved ones with me, and they don't want to come :-(

Date: 2006-08-30 09:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] shezan.livejournal.com
You also would need to speak French. It's supposed to be a BILINGUAL country.

*nudges Anglo Canadians around her*

Date: 2006-08-30 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chickenfeet2003.livejournal.com
Actually one needs to speak English or French. There is a fairly small points bonus for being bilingual. In reality Canada isn't bilingual at all. One province even makes English illegal in certain contexts. To the best of my knowledge, no province has banned the use of French.

Seriously, the Federal government and the governments of New Brunswick, Ontario and Manitoba are required to offer services in both languages. That's as far as it goes. Speaking French in Vancouver is about as useful as speaking Swedish in Milan.

And lest you blame this more or less bilingual immigrant I would point out that both my children were educated in French immersion programmes. However the experience of an educated middle class immigrant in a major urban area is just not typical at all.

Date: 2006-08-30 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melted-snowball.livejournal.com
This isn't quite the whole story for academics; a few universities (I know UofOttawa, and I think also Concordia, maybe) require faculty to be able to teach in French and in English. It's one of the reasons I'd not want a job at UofO, even though I kind of like Ottawa.

Date: 2006-08-30 09:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chickenfeet2003.livejournal.com
Sure, there are jobs where one needs to be bilingual (most any customer facing job in Montreal for example) and a couple of bilingual institutions like U of Zero but in general I'd say Canada is much, much less bilingual than a lot of people overseas imagine.

Date: 2006-08-30 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melted-snowball.livejournal.com
Yes, that's certainly true. I kind of feel like I should learn French, but that's mostly because I would vaguely like to imagine going on vacation in the one part of this country that has artisanal cheeses and being a little more able to communicate. But even then, I'd probably be ok with a smile and my English.

Date: 2006-08-30 09:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] shezan.livejournal.com
Actually, I figured your French would have earned you points in the Immigration categories (or whatever the system is called.)

And you do need Swedish in Milan when you're showing the J. Lindeberg autumn collection...

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Date: 2006-08-31 02:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] damiel.livejournal.com
Hahahaha!!!!

And it looks like you need near-perfect Swedish. Not just any Swedish will do.

Date: 2006-08-30 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-d-medievalist.livejournal.com
Well, if someday some uni there (and as close to an international airport as I am now) wants to hire me ...!

Date: 2006-08-30 04:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melted-snowball.livejournal.com
These days, it requires a fair amount of effort on your part: it's harder than in the past, as George W. Bush is our most useful recruiting person. Lots of US academics are trying to move here...

Date: 2006-08-30 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-d-medievalist.livejournal.com
So I thought. Oh well ... The hated regime can't last forever...

Date: 2006-08-30 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhythmaning.livejournal.com
Un-f*cking-believable.

Date: 2006-08-30 03:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] adjectivegail
You heard the one from a week or so ago where the passengers on a plane didn't like the colour of the skin of a couple of fellows who got on, so they all walked off and the flight was cancelled and the two were taken in and asked if they were planning to blow the plane up, yes?

One of the choice quotes from a scared passenger on that one was that it was all very civilised, no one yelled names or anything, they all just got off. Right. Because it's only racist if you're rude about it.

Date: 2006-08-30 04:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhythmaning.livejournal.com
I thought that was unbelievable, too.

I had heard that because they were talking Urdu (ie a language that the other passengers couldn't understand), they thought they might be terrorists.

Although I think that being made to remove an "offensive" t-shirt is worse, since it was undertaken by people in authority. I kind of expect people-in-the-street to be ignorant, but I would hope that security guards at an airport had some kind of better behaviour.

[livejournal.com profile] rparvaaz has pointed out this article about some Indian citizens who were arrested on a flight from Amsterdam (http://english.ohmynews.com/ArticleView/article_view.asp?menu=A11100&no=313649&rel_no=1&back_url=).

Date: 2006-08-30 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhythmaning.livejournal.com
[livejournal.com profile] matgb pointed me to [livejournal.com profile] theweaselking HERE (http://theweaselking.livejournal.com/1886421.html) which has a link to the original story - in the terrorist's t-shirt wearer's own words (http://raedinthemiddle.blogspot.com/2006/08/back-from-mideast.html).

Date: 2006-08-30 06:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lemur-man.livejournal.com
Thought this was very telling:

people here in the US don't understand these things about constitutional rights

... which probably makes it easier to take those rights away.

Date: 2006-08-30 07:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liv
Yes! That is perfect.

Date: 2006-08-30 09:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] shezan.livejournal.com
I'm just as annoyed as the poor guy who had to change t-shirts.

Date: 2006-08-30 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chickenfeet2003.livejournal.com
I'm not at all surprised. My guess is that the next thing they will ban on flights is the US Constitution.

Date: 2006-09-07 03:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lemur-catta.livejournal.com

If anyone is interested in a T-shirt like the one that Raed Jarrar was made to remove, it's available here on a pay-what-you-can basis:

http://www.aawnyc.org/

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